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Deborah Joy Winans come from the beloved and legendary Winans family, but she’s worked hard to make a way for herself in the entertainment industry. She has landed a role as the Minister of Music in OWN’s highly buzzed about show “Greenleaf,” and spoke to her good friend Erica Campbell about why people concerned about the program making a mockery of the Black Church should watch and not be worried about that.

Listen to Deborah and Erica’s conversation, and be sure to tune in to “Get Up! Mornings With Erica Campbell” weekdays 6-10 am EST!